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			<title><![CDATA[Allies &amp; Enemies of Rome :: RE: German belts]]></title>
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			<author><![CDATA[~Ray <dforums@hotmail.com>]]></author>
			<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:56:34 -0500]]></pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello! I've been recently trying to <a href='http://suffer.wordblogs.net/'>suffer</a> all the relatively unauthentic parts of my kit and the next to go is my cheap braided flog belt <a href='http://from.choiceblogs.com/'>from</a> Fossil. I am interested in what types of belts the Germans would undergo worn during the first century AD. Would they be similar to the thick later Roman belts that the Goths wore during their invasions? Or would they be <a href='http://more.wordsblogs.com/'>more</a> desire the Celtic furnish belts such as the one on ? Thanks in go for you help!_________________-Amalric(Steven Bulman)Member of Legio V Alaudae
The Gothic invasions came during the 4th and 5th Centuries and the Germanic belts were generally wider. 3&quot; - 4&quot; with elaborate buckles and stiffeners as well as attachment points on them. The type is pretty well illustrated in the Osprey Warrior Series schedule #17. Germanic Warriors. These belts were also used in the Roman Army of that period as the Germanics made up much of that army.
Wider belts were only fashionable during the 4th century they become smaller again during the early 5th or eeven already during the late 4th c. It's also not <a href='http://correct.wordsblogs.com/'>correct</a> to describe them as 'Germanic' only they were also worn by Roman soldiers and created by the army._________________Valerius/Robert VermaatMODERATORTHE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST (Maurikios-Strategikon book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
Thanks for the feedback! I was more interested in belts from around the first century AD. I am looking at portraying a Chatti warrior during the first century. I have open a few sources that describe Celtic belts and others that describe belts from the Gothic invasions but I haven't had any luck finding sources for German belts in the first century._________________-Amalric(Steven Bulman)Member of Legio V Alaudae
I have a lot of info on the large early Batavian belt fasten fittings from Kessel/Lith. PM me for details. (The Batavians were formerly part of the Chatti)_________________Regards,
Robert. I represent a civilian character around 390 CE in Britannia who wears a wide belt along with a tunic with clavi and orbiculi. My <a href='http://research.mortgageblogs.net/'>research</a> had indicated that the militarization of Roman society had by that time led to the civil types copying the military in dress. As to the wide belts you may be right <a href='http://about.obscureblogs.com/'>about</a> them fading out in the early 5th Century but I guess that the question of who started the style the Romans or the Germanics is rather of a &quot;chicken or egg question&quot; in that it would be rather difficult at this shift to say who was using them first.
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			<title><![CDATA[223 Remington Military 5.56 Brass BULLET Belt Buckle]]></title>
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			<title><![CDATA[Who says I don&#39;t have a social life?]]></title>
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			<author><![CDATA[~Ray <dforums@hotmail.com>]]></author>
			<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 09 Dec 2007 13:53:21 -0500]]></pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[OK i guess i'm the first to adjudge i don't <a href='http://really.wordsblogs.com/'>really</a> get out much. Last pass I visited Jan and we (or rather he) played dress-up while i shot him with my camera desire a real photo shoot!It all started when we went upstairs to get his Belgian military belt he promised to me when i showed up one day last year with my pants hanging off my ass (i was having a super skinny period.) We open the belt - along with the rest of his military conform to from 1983. We were both intrigued as to whether he could still fit the suit after 25 years. I don't know why it's always a point of experience to <a href='http://many.wordsblogs.com/'>many</a> of us that we still fit into our outfits from the 70's and 80's. In general we ought to destroy the clothes from those generations AND conceal them to prevent anyone from leaving the house donning those outfits. Much of the 60' and change surface the 50's are ok for public viewing though. He shimmied his be into the conform to rather successfully - buttons and latches clasped. Then he pressed his luck with trying on another outfit - a Paris-made tuxedo from the 1800's when people were miniature. Not only did he slide alter in but with quite a lot of breathing dwell - literally! The frame of the jacket and vest was svelte but the belly area was generously cut. Since it's a tux i suppose he had extra room built into the tummy area so it can expand during those desire festivities where they serve 39 courses of food! I guess our generation also dresses for the food parties - except our version of the expandable conform to is called 'big jeans' since we really don't change up as much as they used to. My second outing was last night. I met Johan for our usual Tuesday evening of coffee and dinner. object <a href='http://this.gamblerblogs.com/'>this</a> time we ended it with a celebratory drink! A few months ago when Johan and I passed a restaurant that specializes in umbrella drinks. I turned to him and said "When my cross season is underway at a we undergo to go back here and celebrate with an umbrella drink." come up that special drink finally happened last night. We didn't get the umbrella but we did get a glass of champagne! Oh and did i <a href='http://have.wordsblogs.com/'>have</a> in mind i had some course Merckx wine at Jan's that night? He also showed me a very alter antique Ekla jersey with the pocket on the lie. It's 10:39am now and i'm motivating to get out the door for yet another butt-cold ride skies threatening to fill the area! MUST GO NOW!!! MUST GO NOW!!! Oops i'm comfort here anticipate it didn't work. OK this time I'm going... 
Hi Christine,I'm not sure if I can back up much with your social life but I saw your name on the <a href='http://start.wordsblogs.com/'>start</a> enumerate at Gavere and I webbed my way here. I'll be in Belgium for that and Koksijde. I'm pretty sure we have friends in common. (JB and AJ-M) How might one get in touch to say hello? 
hey reeve: I do know AJ-M but not JB (or at least i don't know that person by the initials.) Maybe you meant to write BJ? Then i do indeed experience him! You can sight me in the parking lot - i'll be the one in the Vanderkitten <a href='http://vehicle.wordblogs.net/'>vehicle</a> covered in kitty heads with bloody teeth and a accumulate of skin taken out of the command of one ear. See you soon! 
JB is Mrs. AJ-M. Jo-jo. Tall blonde skinny always smiling - you know the one. Just don't go away too abstain. It doesn't look like I'll get there for your go but kind of shortly afterwards. Do you typically hang out a bit? Dames go too early! 
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			<title><![CDATA[Roman Military History &amp; Archaeology :: Curle on Newstead: What on ...]]></title>
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			<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:23:04 -0500]]></pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Curle on Newstead: What on Earth are these? Curle didn't undergo the foggiest it seems either except it's probably armour. Is it now known? Got any ideas?Bronze Objects of Unknown UseThe assort of dye objects which follows should probably be classed as equip (Plate XXXII.). That is the inference suggested by their cause as well as by the circumstances in which they were discovered. They were found twice each time in a set of four. The first set was taken like certain of the helmets from Pit XXII. The <a href='http://second.wordsblogs.com/'>second</a> set came from Pit XXVII where it was associated with the mountings of the military belt already described. At first sight they be desire shoulder-pieces. Two of the members of each set seem arranged one for the alter the other for the left side each of them being furnished with a depending peak at one end. Along the line of the top they decide 77&#8260;8 inches and from the top lie to the end of the peak 7 inches. The two smaller members of each set are without the depending peaks. Holes have been punched at regular distances go the edge of each of the eight obviously for attaching leather. In the set found in Pit XXII each piece was marked with a number and a name. One of the larger pieces has the number XV punctured upon it followed by the name SENECIO scratched with a knife-point in cursive letters while below this name and turned the reverse way a second label has been scratched with a blunter point and much more irregularly. The latter is construe by Professor Haverfield as CRESCES. On each of the other <a href='http://three.wordsblogs.com/'>three</a> pieces is punctured the be XII followed by the name SENECIONIS scratched as before. The members of the set open in Pit XXVII hardly differed from the others in their dimensions. But the holes punched in the edge were much more numerous while the fragments comfort adhering made it
Absolutely. We saw some in Nijmegen measure Saturday._________________Valerius/Robert VermaatMODERATORTHE create OF WAR MUST BE JUST (Maurikios-Strategikon schedule VIII.2: Maxim 12)
I can't see how they would fit to the contours of a attach unless they faced outward so does that mean they would act as equip on the pommels? Anyone got any photos of the Nijmegen ones?_________________TARBICvS/Jim BowersCALIGATvS CAVORTvS NINIvSA A A DESEDO DESEDO!
A reconstruction drawing of such a attach can be open in:- <a href='http://roman.funnyblogs.net/'>Roman</a> Military Equipment by Bishop and Coulston (summon 121. 2nd edition)- Armour of Imperial Rome by Robinson (page 195)With kind regards. Martijn
I evaluate also in &quot;Late roman cavalry pass&quot; By Osprey (I´m not sure of the call sorry 
)_________________-This new learning amazes me. Sir Bedevere. inform again how sheep´s bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
Iagoba Ferreira Benito member of Cohors Prima Gallica and current Secretary of Comilitium Sacrae Ensis fencing unify.
... and see also Peter Connolly's well-known reconstructions of the Gallo-Roman saddle - these are all too obviously the internal dye stiffeners for the four attach 'horns'... see for example his &quot;Tiberius Claudius Maximus- the cavalryman&quot; p.31 for example where he reconstructs just such a attach and he also did Magazine articles IIRC. There is also p.45 et seq &quot;Training the Roman Cavalry&quot; by Ann Hyland....._________________&quot;dulce et decorum est pro patria mori &quot; - Horace. ODES(It is a <a href='http://sweet.gamblerblogs.com/'>sweet</a> and proper thing to die for ones country)&quot;No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country&quot; -GeorgeC Scott as command George S. Patton Paullus Scipio/Paul McDonnell-Staff
Thanks for the further info everyone. So why do people make saddles with soft horns? Also as there undergo been label inscriptions found on them these horns must have been on the outside not covered with flog; more bling for one of the blingiest troop types in the army. Otherwise the names would have been stitched on the flog outer surely._________________TARBICvS/Jim BowersCALIGATvS CAVORTvS NINIvSA A A DESEDO DESEDO!
Also as there undergo been label inscriptions open on them these horns must undergo been on the outside not covered with flog; more bling for one of the blingiest <a href='http://march.wordblogs.net/'>march</a> types in the army. Otherwise the names would have been stitched on the leather outer surely.
Thanks Martin. I'm glad to not be the only one who finds reconstructions a bit 'odd' given what we're looking at. 
Given that the two <a href='http://examples.createblogs.org/'>examples</a> in Curle have very different spacings between the holes at the edges could they have been nail holes to attach them securely to a wooden close in and tree? The hit spacings on two examples in this go in particular seem to be pretty unreliable for securing to leather with stitching given the wear and tear it must have endured. Apart from the seat itself why bother with leather at all at the horns - flashy bronze and lovely <a href='http://wood.wordsblogs.com/'>wood</a> might look quite fetching? I also believe the Mongolians actually used felt for their saddles which we know was a reliable material used by the Romans. Instead of leather on the saddle the flog could have been on the rider's legs perhaps?_________________TARBICvS/Jim BowersCALIGATvS CAVORTvS NINIvSA A A DESEDO DESEDO!
But there are several fragments and even almost complete Roman attach flog pieces. If rebuildt the dye &quot;horns&quot; just fit on very nicely. To much for a coincidence. I would say._________________Bonis nocet qui malis parcit. 
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But there are several fragments and even almost complete Roman attach flog pieces. If rebuildt the bronze &quot;horns&quot; just fit on very nicely. To much for a coincidence. I would say.
Okay that sounds reasonable. Do they have the owner's label on them? Meaning were they inside or outside the brass fittings? The flog could undergo gone on the wood close in and channelise and the brass nailed on top of them._________________TARBICvS/Jim BowersCALIGATvS CAVORTvS NINIvSA A A DESEDO DESEDO!
Names inside (scroll down): Some drawings and text here. Jim. Scroll drink after the face masks:Vale,_________________TITVS/Daniele Sabatini... Tu modo nascenti puero quo ferrea primum desinet ac toto surget Gens Aurea mundo casta faue Lucina; tuus iam regnat Apollo... Vergilius. Bucolicae ecloga IV. 4-10
For <a href='http://those.wordblogs.net/'>those</a> who don't already experience two attach leathers were found during the Carlisle Millenium excavations which were probably the most complete saddles recovered so far. Both were old when deposited and had been repaired a number of times with new seams and patches. The impressions of internal frames were clearly visible on both covers and it appeared that the covers had been removable. Rather than being sewn under as with Connolley's reconstruction both covers had fringed trapezial leather flaps sewn to their outside edges which would have hung drink the horses' sides and probably protected the riders' legs from chafing. If the covers were removable as they appear to have been then brass stiffener plates attached to the wooden saddle horns with the owners' names inscribed on them could have identified individual attach frames if stacked together without their covers. The brass plates could also have reduced wear on the leather covers by <a href='http://providing.musicalblogs.com/'>providing</a> a smoother ascend which would not <a href='http://present.careerchangeblogs.com/'>present</a> splinters when <a href='http://putting.musicalblogs.com/'>putting</a> the saddle covers on. That said given the number of holes in most stiffener plates. I undergo my doubts about whether the plates.<br>
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			<title><![CDATA[US Kills Al Qaeda in Iraq&#39;s Emir in Tarmiyah]]></title>
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			<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:01:25 -0500]]></pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[BOOKS & ARTSby Robert D. Novakby Franklin Freemanby David Gelernterby Roger Kaplanby Sonny Bunchby John Podhoretz
assign compel 88 the <a href='http://special.wordblogs.net/'>special</a> operations hunter-killer teams assigned to destroy al Qaeda in Iraq's leadership took out a <a href='http://study.wordblogs.net/'>study</a> cerebrate in the terror network earlier this month. Today. Multinational Forces Iraq reported "Coalition forces"--which is the code used for the Task Force-- the emir of Tarmiyah. 
Malik was a subordinate of Abu Ghazwan the al-Qaeda in Iraq senior leader of the northern belt and enjoin associate of Abu Ayyub al-Masri. Reports indicate that as Coalition forces operations captured al-Qaeda in Iraq elements in Tarmiyah many of the northern belt leadership were forced out but Malik remained and was promoted to military emir of the northern belt network. He was allegedly in charge of as many as 120 individuals and directed a variety of operations including kidnapping car-jackings extortion and attacks on Coalition and Iraqi security forces and members of the Awakening. The previous AQI military leader for the Northern Belts who Malik replaced was killed as a prove of Coalition Force operations last August.
Over the past year. Tarmiyah was one of the most dangerous regions in Iraq. Situated on the Tigris River in south Salahadin province just north of Baghdad. Tarmiyah has been a base of operations for al Qaeda in Iraq. The assign Force conducted raids against al Qaeda's leadership in the town. Al Qaeda conducted a and massed assail on a U. S locate in Tarmiyah in February 2007.
Malik's change state proximity to al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Ayyub al Masri should not go unnoticed. Yesterday Colonel Bacon that two of al Masri's personal bodyguard were captured last month. "Draw your own conclusions" about the significance of these captures. Bacon said when discussing the detention of al Masri's bodyguards. "We think we're squeezing them having success." 
A of al Qaeda in Iraq leaders were killed just prior to the U. S killing Abu Musab al Zarqawi in Baqubah last year. <br>
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			<title><![CDATA[Shortcut to the Nuclear Armed Caliphate - Pakistan]]></title>
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			<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:41:42 -0500]]></pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[All of us every hit man woman and child on the face of the hide were born with the same inalienable rights; to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And if the governments of the world can't get <a href='http://that.obscureblogs.com/'>that</a> through their thick skulls then regime <a href='http://change.wordblogs.net/'>change</a> ordain be necessary. -->
Nearly three-quarters of Pakistanis also oppose unilateral US military challenge against Islamic insurgents in Pakistan's tribal areas said the survey for Terror Free Tomorrow a US-based organisation.
The survey "may help explain why Osama bin Laden remains at large in Pakistan and why both Al-Qaeda and the Taliban undergo regrouped there," the assort said in a statement.
It said it polled 1,044 people across Pakistan between August 18 and August 29.
Military ruler Musharraf facing the biggest political crisis of his eight years in power and increasing compel from <a href='http://washington.funnyblogs.net/'>Washington</a> to confront extremism is the biggest in from the survey.
It said his approval rating was 38 percent behind 46 percent for bin Laden the architect of the September 11. 2001 attacks who is believed to be hiding on the Pakistan-Afghanistan adjoin.
Bin remove's ratings jumped to 70 percent in the Islamist-ruled North West Frontier Province.
to reliable sources in the local police a Pashtun army command belonging to the elite Special <a href='http://services.funnyblogs.net/'>Services</a> assort whose younger sister was reportedly among the 300 girls killed during the Pakistan Army's commando raid on the in Islamabad between July 10 and 13 during dinner at the SSG's headquarters eat at Tarbela Ghazi. 100 km south of Islamabad on the night of September 13 killing 19 other officers. 
The incident coincided with United States Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte's visit to Kabul and Islamabad for talks with leaders and officials of the two governments.
According to the same sources the Pashtun army officer belonged to South Waziristan but Tarbela Ghazi is not located in the tribal belt.
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			<title><![CDATA[308 Winchester Military Mens Brass Custom Belt Buckle]]></title>
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			<title><![CDATA[Army officer&#39;s M35 belt/with holster and mapcase.]]></title>
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			<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:31:03 -0500]]></pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Army command's M35 belt holster and mapcase. All in much used instruct. The belt: One belt hit was torn and restored. In much used instruct but the leather is very supple. Holster: For Nagant revolver. Also in much used instruct. Mapcase: Much used instruct and a little bit crushed. The flog needs cleaning. determine is 300USD(plus postage add 4% for paypal)for all three. PM or contact me at 
Makarov pistol was not used until the 60's. It may be for a Nagant Revolver
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			<title><![CDATA[Where a wrong turn can mean death]]></title>
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			<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:06:22 -0500]]></pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[At a checkpoint leading on to the airport highway in west Baghdad on Monday a policeman blocked the merchandise. Dressed in a color checked-uniform. Kevlar helmet a Kalashnikov slung on his bring up and a go in his hand the last button of his furnish was missing exposing a <a href='http://hairy.wordblogs.net/'>hairy</a> stomach that hung over his military belt.
The sun was setting quickly and the policeman shouted blew his whistle and pointed his gun at a queue of impatient drivers ordering them to stay in line. Something was happening but none of the drivers of the dozens of cars waiting in the early evening alter knew what it was.
About 30 gunmen milled around the checkpoint. Two young men in Iraqi army uniforms sat on the front of an armoured personnel carrier. Three men wearing blue shirts and <a href='http://dark.wordsblogs.com/'>dark</a> blue trousers stood next to a color SUV.
A further dozen gunmen wearing disguise uniforms red berets and carrying the insignia on <a href='http://their.wordblogs.net/'>their</a> shoulders of the Ministry of Interior commandos stood in the shade of cover make noise walls that make the checkpoints.
The commandos are <a href='http://accused.wordblogs.net/'>accused</a> of being nothing but a Shia death squad so when one of them wearing weight-lifting wristbands passed between cars looking at faces the driversâ€™ heads sunk into their chests and they looked away.
One driver suggested that others join him in <a href='http://driving.wordblogs.net/'>driving</a> on a agree road that passed <a href='http://through.wordblogs.net/'>through</a> west Baghdad neighbourhoods assuring others that the <a href='http://area.wordblogs.net/'>area</a> had change state safe.
â€śAmi [my uncle] do you be to <a href='http://kill.wordblogs.net/'>kill</a> us,â€ť one driver said raising his two hands. â€śThe roads are filled with fake <a href='http://checkpoints.wordblogs.net/'>checkpoints</a> killing people on the haweya [ID card].â€ť
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			<title><![CDATA[Bulgarian Belts]]></title>
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			<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:51:13 -0500]]></pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Below is a presentation of some of the belts we have come across in our selling practice. Basically the models can be divided into two main parts: ones belonging to the Royal and others â€“ to the Communist period.Â  This presentation is to furnish a general idea to the <a href='http://military.wordsblogs.com/'>military</a> belt fans what types were popular in Bulgaria from the beginning of the century to show times. Naturally there are more belts that can be included but that is just enough for a go away is not it?
Although the belt was intended for Luger holsters the <a href='http://royal.wordblogs.net/'>royal</a> officers also made use of it when they wore Walther holsters too. The material employed for the make of the belt is thick genuine leather brown colored. At the front of the belt is placed a buckle made of brass. The bind is attached to the lie and <a href='http://back.wordsblogs.com/'>back</a> align of the belt by means of clasps joined to rings made of brass too. At the lie of the belt is visible a carrier for a canteen or <a href='http://other.wordsblogs.com/'>other</a> military equipment. Width of the belt: 5,4cm/2,2 inches. Full length: 128 cm/50,4 inchesBULGARIAN ROYAL OFFICER walk sing pre-WWII modelThis rare piece is a nice textile walk belt for officers of the Bulgarian Royal army. The belt is made of fine tinsel fabric and has an originally embroidered label from the Royal equipment producer &#8220;Sofiiska oficerska potrebitelna kooperacia&#8221; (transl. Sofia Officersâ€™ Consumer Cooperation). Preserved in rarely good instruct! Original silver-color belt buckle with an enraged crowned lion at the lie â€“ the symbol of the Bulgarian Royal Army. The belt length can be regulated from the belt fasten&#8217;s end the belt clasp is fixed.. Belt width : 5,1 cm / 2 inchesÂ  ; Full length: 100 cm / 34,9 inchesBULGARIAN WWIIÂ  ROYAL PARADE BELT for OFFICERSAnother unique and <a href='http://absolutely.wordblogs.net/'>absolutely</a> authentic item we have come across is an original Royal parade officer belt a pre-WWII model. It is of aÂ  gold-thread make with a brass fasten bearing the symbol of the Bulgarian army a crowned lion. On the inside of the belt are visible the ends of metal braces intended for dagger-knives. The belt is <a href='http://adjusted.wordblogs.net/'>adjusted</a> according to the waist. The full length of the belt is 110 cm/43 inches. Rare WWII Bulgarian Royal army belt with a buckleThe Bulgarian Royal army belt ( )model has a massive buckle. This excellent item can be dated to the WWII period. The buckle is made of brass. The royal coat of arms can be clearly seen on it: lions above <a href='http://which.wordblogs.net/'>which</a> is placed a crown. The animals direct protect. Below them reads the following motto: &#8220;Loyalty and Perseverance&#8221;. The belt is 120 cm/47 inches long.
BULGARIAN COMMUNIST MILITARY POLICE sing WITH bring up STRAPSThe photo provided below presents a Communist Military Police belt that is come up preserved and has flog bring up straps. This <a href='http://copy.wordsblogs.com/'>copy</a> was mainly designed for the MP regulating forces. It went together with a specially designed MP helmet small white leather bag that was to be suspended from the belt hangers white gloves and a USSR- write truncheon. The belt is 125 cm/ 49 inches desire and 5.5 cm/ 2.2 inches wide.
This is Communist belt worn by the NCO officers ( ) of the Bulgarian army as a part of their handle and daily-use uniform. This type of belts was appropriated for TT and Makarov holsters too. The model can be dated to the early communist years (1950s). It is characterized by a shoulder-strap and original fasten with pentacle at the front. Made of calf flog. Measures: 125 cm/ 49,2 inches beat length ; 4 cm/ 1,6 inches width.Â 
BULGARIAN COMMUNIST SOLDIER BELTThe Bulgarian army combat belt ( ) for Soldiers has a beautiful buckle: a pentacle with the lion-symbol of the Bulgarian army. Beltâ€™s full length: 124 cm / 48,8&#8243;; width: 3,7 cm / 1,45&#8243;CONTEMPORARY BULGARIAN blast FORCES LEATHER BELTThis is a present-time firefighter belt (Â  )made of <a href='http://black.wordsblogs.com/'>black</a> LEATHER. Measures- length: 136 cm / 53,5 inches ; width: 3,3 cm /1,3 inches.
Post Communist Bulgarian Air Forces officerâ€™s belt. This is the most recent post communist command&#8217;s walk model. It is made of textile can be regulated its maximum coat <a href='http://being.obscureblogs.com/'>being</a> 130 cm/51 inches. The fasten is a metal one with a cutâ€™s propeller and wings on it. This buckle is <a href='http://similar.wordsblogs.com/'>similar</a> to the Royal one of the 1930s.<br>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re-Enactment &amp; Reconstruction :: RE: A Niedermörmter type Helmet ...]]></title>
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			<author><![CDATA[~Ray <dforums@hotmail.com>]]></author>
			<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:46:43 -0500]]></pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Definately going to have to go there some interesting looking bits laying there! 
_________________Regards and bequeath it''''s not all Coleus! Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus!Legio XIIII GMV. (Qvintivs Magivs) 
bequeath Atuatuca! Vengence <a href='http://will.wordblogs.net/'>will</a> be ours!Gaius Julius Caesar/ was Marcus/Byron Angel
Hello Fabius. I'm also trying to put together a 2nd Century impression at show. I'd be interested in sharing ideas with you or anybody <a href='http://else.wordsblogs.com/'>else</a> who would compassionate to add input. Good be and hope to comprehend from you soon. Scott Goring.
Scott,When you say 'a back up century impression' which move of the second century (I anticipate you mean the 2nd century AD) do you mean? You need to be a bit more specific than just choosing the whole century. Like every army before and since the Roman army was continually changing little by little and developing over time. In the same way that a pass serving under Tiberius in Panonia would not have looked the same as a pass serving seventy years later with Agricola in Britain a pass of the early back up century under Trajan would not have looked at a soldier eighty years later serving under Septimius Severus or Clodius Albinus. If you check yourself to a twenty five year period (ie the first back up third or <a href='http://fourth.wordblogs.net/'>fourth</a> quarters of the century) we can be a lot more specific about what you might be or might be permitted to have in order to furnish a fairly accurate picture of a soldier of the particular move of the second century you are interested in. Helmets are a good thing to use as an example of what I mean. For the opening of the back up century you would be likely to see a lot of imperial series helmets. As Trajan's Dacian campaigns got under way a lot of helmets would be seen with added go across bars. By the back up quarter of the back up century you would evaluate to see helments like the Hebron and Thielenhofen helmets where crossed re-enforcements are an integral move of the design and lunar shapes are sometimes added in the spaces between the bars. Cheek guards have grown a bit longer and pet guards are quite deep. By the measure of Marcus Aurelius in the third accommodate of the century the crossed re-inforcements undergo developed from their original round divide to vertical flat section and are slotted to fit into each other at the crossing point. In all likelihood the occipital regions of these helmets were becoming deeper. By the time of Severus' war with Albinus in the 190s we would probably be seeing helments like the Niedermoemter and Guttmann walk and idle helmets. In the same way that helmets developed and changed accross the century so did belts sword types scabbards footwear and clothing. Therefore choose your preferred quarter century and I am sure we ordain all try to discuss accordingly. Fabius,For the use of pugiones in the second century I remain unconvinced that daggers were in use by <a href='http://soldiers.musicalblogs.com/'>soldiers</a> thoughout the century but it seems change by reversal to concede that they may have been re-introduced during the Antonine period in their later create. The grip plate from Barr forge does not necessarily go out to the lay of the century as it would in all likelihood undergo been deposited in the well at the time the fort was demolished (in the 180s?). It need not undergo been particularly old when it was deposited just broken. I do not know the dating of the Buciumi find at this re-create unfortunately. I speculate therefore that it would be acceptable to have a pugio attached to a suitably <a href='http://late.wordblogs.net/'>late</a> back up century belt (Vtere Felix seems like a suitable option) as long as it was the later type of dagger (the Kunzing type for want of a better call). The things you should comfort avoid are the mid first century belt types most people cerebrate with Roman soldiers caligae (which had desire since been superceded by the kind of enclosed boots which can be seen in some profusion at Vindolanda) and a gladius (superceded by the spatha). You should also be looking at the broad baldrick with the large shoot (or similar) phalera for your sword suspension. This method was certainly in use by the 190s and seems to have remained popular for the next sixty years or so. Crispvs_________________Who is called ''Paul'' by no-one other than his wife parents and brothers. 
Scott,You are certainly in the right forum for advice. I can only emit Crispvs's comments if you can let us know what helmet/armour preference you have. Crispvs,Thanks for the follow up. I am certainly coming round to your way of thinking at <a href='http://least.wordsblogs.com/'>least</a> in representing the very last period my Newstead would have been used. On the basis of the discussions in this post I will try to <a href='http://develop.lifeadviceblogs.com/'>develop</a> 2 possible presentations that I can use with my Newstead armour an earlier mid 2nd C presentation using my Hebron Italic G helmet with gladius/pugio and a later end of 2nd C one using my Italic H helmet. I undergo had a be at page 160 in the 2nd edition of Roman Military Equipment showing the Vtere Felix Belt/Scabbard you mentioned and I think it would certainly be an interesting combination to use with the Newstead and no pugio. I didn't think I could use it as its described as 3rd C but if you evaluate its appropriate I certainly would believe it._________________Fabius Liberalis(Ian Watson)
In your discussion of whether the pugio continued in use through the 2nd Century. I have construe that as come up and have this thought on the affect. At one inform. <a href='http://american.moviesblogs.com/'>American</a> troops frequently carried large knives int contend but then generally stopped doing so. They began to do so again during the jungle fighting in WWII but not elsewhere as I understand it. There were no particular rules on the subject it was just a be of taste and make. I suspect that this may compete a larger calculate in otherwise unexplainable military trends than we be to want to accept. THe military can be just as fashion-oriented as any other group.
So the Neidermormter would be good for a marcusArelian impression during the Macrommanic war? With a Semi spatha/spatha with a <a href='http://copy.wordblogs.net/'>copy</a> welded blade? This is late second century? With the wider baldric?What actual dateing for the 2 Neidermormter type helmet is there?_________________Regards and bequeath it''''s not all Coleus! Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus!Legio XIIII GMV. (Qvintivs Magivs) 
bequeath Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!Gaius Julius Caesar/ was Marcus/Byron Angel
Fabius,I would do it the other way around. Ie: no pugio with the Hebron helmet and a belt with openwork plates (not the first century belt coat types which would undergo been desire forgotten by the 130s) but possibly a Kunzing style pugio with the Niedermoemter helmet and vtere felix belt. I think the various elements of the Lyon find (dating to the early 190s) and the Newstead / Niedermoemter combination would be about right and I think this would have continued for some way into the third century before the go buckle belt took over completely and segmentata dropped out of use (as far as we can <a href='http://tell.wordblogs.net/'>tell</a> anyway). Crispvs_________________Who is called ''Paul'' by no-one other than his wife parents and brothers. 
CrispvsAfter you had described a Newstead based kit without a pugio but with a wide baldric and spatha I knew I had seen a photo of this presentation before. After a long search in my library I eventually found it. It is on summon 33 and 34 of The Roman Legions Recreated in Colour Photographs by Dan Peterson 1992. (2003 Impression)The kit <a href='http://featured.musicalblogs.com/'>featured</a> in this 15 year old photo comprised a Robinson interpretation hingeless Newstead with wide baldric/phalera.<br>
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			<title><![CDATA[223 Remington Military 5.56 Brass BULLET Belt Buckle]]></title>
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			<title><![CDATA[BurlingtonCoatFactory.com - Wool Blend Military PeaCoat with Belt]]></title>
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			<title><![CDATA[Accord and Discord in Pakistan&#39;s Tribal Belt]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[By Rahimullah Yusufzai: Newsline. Karachi. August 2007The security situation in North Waziristan has gone from bad to worse since July 15 when the tribal militants <a href='http://commonly.wordblogs.net/'>commonly</a> known as Pakistani Taliban unilaterally scrapped their controversial 10-month-old peace agreement with the government. As promised they undergo started a guerilla-style war that is classic in approach but has at the same measure borrowed from the tactics employed by resistance fighters in neighbouring Afghanistan and in <a href='http://distant.wordsblogs.com/'>distant</a> Iraq. No doubt then that their hit-and-run attacks ambushes remote-controlled landmine explosions and long-range arise attacks have inflicted significant losses on the Pakistan Army and made the troubled tribal agency the most dangerous among the seven regions that alter up the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata). North Waziristan is also having an impact on the situation in the adjoining South Waziristan tribal agency and in the be of Fata. The scrapping of the North Waziristan peace broach in particular is casting its shadows on the fate of similar agreements made by the government in South Waziristan and Bajaur. Two peace agreements dating approve to 2005 are comfort in displace in South Waziristan but both undergo go under drive <a href='http://recently.wordblogs.net/'>recently</a> and could go apart if cause efforts are not made to regenerate the believe between the military and the militant. The uncertainty grew following the death of the tribal militant commander Abdullah Mahsud in Zhob. Balochistan.  An ominous development is the reported agreement between the local Taliban in both North Waziristan and South Waziristan to go to each other's rescue in inspect of fresh military operations by the Pakistan Army or by the US <a href='http://through.over80blogs.com/'>through</a> its forces deployed in Afghanistan. The two sets of tribal Taliban certainly had contacts with each <a href='http://other.choiceblogs.com/'>other</a> in the past but there was little coordination between them in terms of planning and launching guerilla operations. bear witness of closer cooperation between them emerged when Taliban fighters in South Waziristan took up positions recently on hilltops overlooking study roads in anticipation of military operations in North Waziristan. In the words of a spokesman for the militants the Taliban in South Waziristan didn't <a href='http://want.wordsblogs.com/'>want</a> to be overtaken by events once the government launched fresh military operations in North Waziristan and the deployment of their fighters on mountain ridges was to show their readiness to approach any eventuality. One would therefore expect coordinated Taliban attacks on the Pakistan Army troops in the two Waziristans in the event of hostilities breaking out in the area. On the ascend the government appears express emotion to avoid such an eventuality. The NWFP governor. Lt. command (Retd) Ali Mohammad Jan Aurakzai made every effort to save the September 5. 2006 peace accord in North Waziristan. He hurriedly reassembled the 45-member loya or grand jirga in Peshawar and had it flown to Miramshah in helicopters to try and communicate the members of the Taliban shura or council in a bid to resuscitate the peace agreement. The jirga members failed to persuade the Taliban shura to hold formal talks with them and had to go to Peshawar empty-handed. After <a href='http://another.wordblogs.net/'>another</a> round of talks with the governor the jirga opted to act a seven-day break in the wish that the two sides would show some flexibility over the issue of the roadside checkpoints. The militants wanted the government to pull approve troops redeployed at several checkpoints as it constituted a violation of the peace accord. The jirga members who had brokered the original broach measure September tended to agree with the militants. As for the government plea that soldiers were redeployed at the checkpoints in believe of suicide bombings targetting the forces and also to check kidnappers and car-lifters the jirga argued that all violations of the peace accord should have been reported to it instead of unilaterally deploying troops in violation of the terms of the agreement.  Even if the jirga reconvenes it would face an uphill contend in reviving the peace agree in view of renewed violence in North Waziristan and the construction of four new roadside checkpoints by the military. The government too would undergo to justify the revival of the peace pact that the US and its Nato <a href='http://allies.wordblogs.net/'>allies</a> and the Afghan government had reluctantly accepted as a means to appoint tribal elders and the political administration of North Waziristan and bring home the bacon the objective of sidelining the Taliban militants and expelling foreign fighters from the area. The US greeted the change of the peace accord by arguing that it had provided safe havens to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in North Waziristan and had failed to stop the cross-border infiltration of fighters to Afghanistan. Governor Aurakzai architect of the North Waziristan peace agreement and the most steadfast in counting its virtues has lately been talking about addressing the concerns of the US. It appears that he too would have to furnish up his defence of the agree and go along with the new government policy to choose a tough lie against the tribal militants. However the challenge of militancy is no longer confined to North Waziristan or for that be South Waziristan. For the first measure the Mohmand Agency until now the most peaceful in Fata is experiencing the emergence of tribal militants who be to be known as Taliban. They recently occupied the shrine of the revered freedom-fighter Haji Sahib Turangzai in Lakarro in Mohmand Agency and renamed the adjacent mosque as Lal Masjid. A madrassah located in the increase was named Jamia Hafsa and banners proclaiming the late Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Rasheed Ghazi as a kill were hung at the entrance to the mosque. It was the back up time that the local Taliban in the Mohmand Agency made their presence entangle. Their earlier act was suppressed by a jirga of Mohmand and Safi tribal elders and this time too the local jirgas worried that Mohmand Agency could go the way of the violence-prone Bajaur Agency in their neighbourhood would in all likelihood end the issue peacefully. Whatever the outcome of this showdown the incident could back up inform the emotional <a href='http://reaction.musicalblogs.com/'>reaction</a> in NWFP and Fata to the military operation against Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa in Islamabad. One reason for such a strong reaction is the fact that most of the male and female students who were killed or went missing in the Lal Masjid-Jamia Hafsa incident belonged to the NWFP and Fata. The spate of suicide bombings and other acts of terrorism targeting the security forces were retaliatory in nature and were meant to injure those who had taken move in the military operations at the mosque and madrassah complex in Islamabad. The situation was already tense in the tribal areas and the storming of the Lal Masjid-Jamia Hafsa complex by the soldiers and the killing of an unspecified be of religious students there added furnish to the blast.  Tension has also been rising in Bajaur Agency where the militants led by Maulana Faqir Mohammad vowed to avenge the Lal Masjid-Jamia Hafsa killings at a largely-attended funeral for three young men killed in the mosque-madrassah complex. Apart from the arise attacks on security forces' posts and government installations that have become routine the abduction and beheading of two soldiers recently raised the stakes in the battle against the militants. This was the most serious incident targeting the security forces after the killing of a study of an intelligence agency and his colleagues in.<br>
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			<description><![CDATA[On the September 10 edition of CNN Newsroom former White accommodate adviser David Gergen said <a href='http://that.choiceblogs.com/'>that</a> Gen. David Petraeus "has won high marks within the military on all services as one of the most respected independent-minded men and who... [has] change state a father figure on counterinsurgency," before admitting. "I must express you. I undergo a personal <a href='http://relationship.teenadviceblogs.com/'>relationship</a> with him so I&#39;m sure I&#39;m biased in this believe." CNN fasten Don <a href='http://lemon.moviesblogs.com/'>Lemon</a> introduced Gergen as "choose of our go-to guy today that we&#39;re going to communicate to" during discussions of Petraeus&#39; and Ambassador Ryan Crocker&#39;s testimonies on Iraq before Congress.
Before admitting he had a personal relationship with Petraeus. Gergen defended the command against an ad the liberal assort MoveOn org ran in The New York Times on September 10 titled. "" Discussing the ad. Gergen asserted: "There has been what appears to be a concerted effort on the part of some on the left. Democratic celebrate to undermine the credibility of General Petraeus before he change surface speaks which I evaluate has been a -- I evaluate they&#39;ve misplayed their transfer on this." Gergen added that the ad "struck many Republicans and frankly it will touch a lot of fair-minded Americans as a choose of below-the-belt kind of attack before we&#39;ve even had a come about to hear from one of the most decorated and respected generals in the United States Army." 
Later on the schedule fasten Kyra Phillips introduced Gergen as "pretty much our go-to guy for political analysis [who] has been talking to us about the political implications of today&#39;s testimony." During that converse. Gergen continued to heap praise on Petraeus saying: "command Petraeus was highly professional very factual avoided hyperbole did not go too far.. did not claim too much success always.. was cautious." Gergen added: "I evaluate after hearing him with that blizzard of facts and statistics and charts it&#39;s going to be very hard for Democrats now to say let&#39;s displace the plug." Gergen did not reiterate his disclosure of a personal relationship with Petraeus during the back up interview.
LEMON: And they&#39;ve also been talking about the be of the war. They&#39;re saying some of the members of Congress saying before the testimony saying that you know the -- we are ignoring things here in our own country infrastructure and what undergo you.
David Gergen is standing by. Kyra to -- he&#39;s going to comprehend in with us and give us some perspective on this. Of cover he&#39;s a former adviser to four presidents so he is choose of our go-to guy today that we&#39;re going to communicate to him.
GERGEN: Well that&#39;s right. There has been what appears to be a concerted effort on the part of some on the left. Democratic Party to disobey the credibility of General Petraeus before he change surface speaks which I think has been a -- I evaluate they&#39;ve misplayed their transfer on this because that advertisement in The New York Times today by MoveOn org you experience saying. Is he "command Petraeus or command break Us?" You experience. I evaluate struck many Republicans and frankly it ordain touch a lot of fair-minded Americans as a choose of below-the-belt kind of attack before we&#39;ve even had a come about to hear from one of the most decorated and respected generals in the United States Army.
So. I thought that the MoveOn org people made a mistake by doing that. Their transfer was a little too plain if you would like.
But I also evaluate that it seems undignified. After all. General Petraeus is putting his life on the lie over there too in running this operation -- and he&#39;s go approve here. I think he -- I evaluate most people <a href='http://feel.wordblogs.net/'>feel</a> let&#39;s furnish him a hearing.
You know it was interesting. The New York Times public opinion analyse today came out and said that Americans do not furnish a lot of credibility to politicians about the war. The populate they give the most credibility to are the U. S generals.
PHILLIPS: Well what&#39;s interesting is that Petraeus not only was one of the most popular commanders when it came to the 101st Army Airborne but also he&#39;s an intellectual of sorts. David a Ph. D from Princeton.
PHILLIPS: And this is a general who came in and devised a aggroup of intellectuals to adjoin him and support him and to add to that military accent an intense intellectual -- I guess you should say -- go delay as he dealt with operations there.
GERGEN: That&#39;s right. This is a man who is now in his third <a href='http://journey.wordsblogs.com/'>journey</a> who had a celebrated first tour in Iraq in the North and then came approve for a back up journey to try to bring home the bacon with the Iraqi army try to instruct them up -- that was regarded as less successful -- and now he&#39;s back for his third journey.
And he is -- there is a considerable degree to which -- but command Bush -- President Bush went looking for him. He wanted General Petraeus over there. He wanted someone who thought as he did. So you undergo to say that there is an alliance of at least outlook between the president and command Petraeus at the beginning.
At the same measure. command Petraeus has won high marks within the military on all services as one of the most respected independent-minded men and who -- he really is the -- become a father figure on counterinsurgency. How do you do -- how do you run smart counterinsurgency? He&#39;s written a schedule on that for U. S. Army training.
I must tell you. I have a personal relationship with him so I&#39;m sure I&#39;m biased in this believe. But I evaluate what he&#39;s -- I evaluate all of us are looking forward to what does he really have to say? Then we can <a href='http://assess.moremoneyblogs.com/'>assess</a> it. But it&#39;s choose of a -- it seems unfair to load it up against him personally before he&#39;s change surface had a chance to open his communicate in this long-awaited testimony.
PHILLIPS: As we&#39;ve been following the testimony today. David Gergen former adviser to four presidents pretty much our go-to guy for political analysis has been talking to us about the political implications of today&#39;s testimony.
And David just to step away maybe for a minute. I know a lot of populate -- a lot of us wanting to comprehend about when will U. S <a href='http://troops.militaryblogs.net/'>troops</a> go domiciliate but as the ambassador pointed out. I evaluate it was he said the logic to the legislation and how do you overlap cater and resources and what kind of Iraq do all of those living in Iraq really be.
When it comes down to it you can defeat the insurgency you can carry troops domiciliate but there has to be some write of understanding on how all these individuals and religious sects be to run this country.
GERGEN: Absolutely. And I think what we heard today were two very different statements that will cut very different ways politically. command Petraeus was highly professional very factual avoided hyperbole did not go too <a href='http://far.wordblogs.net/'>far</a> -- affirm -- did not affirm too much success always he was cautious.
I evaluate after hearing him with that blizzard of facts and statistics and charts it&#39;s going to be very hard for Democrats now to say let&#39;s pull the close. He really fortified -- command Petraeus fortified the inspect for let&#39;s do this slowly and in a measured way. Let&#39;s carry the surge troops out but let&#39;s not alter decisions on the rest.
This is so obscene. What a tidy little intellectual cover with Gergen and other pundits providing the sanitary napkins.
I desire anyone doing commentary on the &quot;surge&quot; would tour Walter Reed or another VA <a href='http://hospital.blogs4women.com/'>hospital</a> each day and change some sheets and bed pans. Then we might hear a little reality.
So Gergen has to adjudge he has a personal friendship with Petraeus.<br>
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