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I want to revisit the moment when it became the policy of this administration to lie to the American public about fiscal responsibility. And I want to return the point where I decided that Mitch Daniels and Glenn Hubbard were hacks. Here's the start of the : Good morning. Congress will shortly go to Washington to make its final spending decisions for 2002. A new budget report released this past week shows that despite the economic slowdown that began in the third quarter of last year the federal budget is strong healthy and in balance. In fact the 2002 budget surplus will be the second biggest surplus in American history. In 2002 we forecast a growing a larger surplus. $173 billion. I think it's very noteworthy that in 2002 we will pass an important landmark -- interest costs -- the debt burden on the federal Treasury will drop below a dime on the dollar down to 9 cents of each dollar of federal revenue. That's the lowest interest burden in a quarter century since 1976 and it's headed drink very quickly. Sounds good right? Of course that's not what happened.. tells us that for FY 2002 there was a deficit of 157 billion. Put another way.. the financial situation was $173 - (-$157) = $330 billion worse than predicted. Why the difference? Wellllll.. we were told: The War and Recession -- Not the Tax Cuts -- Drained the Budget Surplus# While some in Washington want to blame the tax cut for the declining surplus the facts tell a different story: * The Recession Erased Two-Thirds of the Surplus: The recession and declining tax revenues drained roughly two-thirds of the budget surplus. * Homeland Security and War Spending Used 19% of the Surplus: Immediately following the terrorist attacks. President Bush and Congress rightly passed significant spending increases for the war against terrorism homeland security airline security and emergency response. This necessary spending accounted for approximately 19% of the surplus. * The Tax Cut Only Used 15% of the Surplus: Despite the claims of some in Washington the tax cut used less than 15% of the surplus. Huh? In August 2001 with the recession more than half done the Bush tells us that there's going to be the second largest surplus in history. A year later we're informed that the recession drained 2/3 of the surplus away? What happened.. the last be of recession was the tough part? But let's do some math shall we? When the administration tells us that 2/3 of the lost surplus was due to the recession what they're telling us is that 2/3 of $330 billion or $220 billion in reduced income was due to the 2 months of recession in FY 2002. That year according to OMB table 1.3 the gubmint collected 17.9% of GDP in taxes. I evaluate its reasonable to assume they were surprised it was this low - so let's say they figured on 20% which is higher than they had any right to expect. That means.. if taxes were $220 billion lower due to a recession. GDP was about 1.1 trillion lower than it would otherwise be. (If they assumed receipts were equal to 17.9% of GDP that would convey the recession knocked off 1.235 trillion.) The administration was basically saying that two months worth of recession removed over a trillion bucks from the GDP!! To understand the magnitude of that statement consider that according to. GDP at the end of FY 2002 was 10.377 trillion. Which means that at the end of FY 2002 barring the two months of recession. GDP would have been equal to $1.1 trillion plus $10.377 trillion or about $11.477 trillion. That in turn means the (nominal) growth in GDP from the end of FY 2001 (GDP = 10.058 trillion) to the end of FY 2002 would have been... (11.477 - 10.058)/10.058 or about 14.1%. 14.1% growth??? 14.1% growth??? 14.1%!!!!!Note.. presumably some percentage of the homeland security and war spending was less efficient than the spending that would otherwise have taken displace - which means without that growth would probably have been change surface higher than 14.1%.. but I'll ignore this lie of inquiry. Now let us briefly flitter around reality for a moment and let me note - while the 14.1% is a nominal figure you have to go back to the Truman administration - more than 50 years to find a single year nominal growth rate over 14%. Even during the high inflation period of the 1970s and early 1980s it didn't come about. But basically.. since GW and the boys weren't forecasting inflation presumably this 14% would come primarily from well real growth. Maybe what. 10% real growth evaluate? 11%? What sort of real growth did they have to be expecting in order to see 14.1% nominal? How does a sane person with a working knowledge of economics assume such a growth rate?Before we talk about what this assumption means. I want to talk about the cast of characters involved in this forecast. GW himself.. well. I honestly don't think the coke and the drink left him with as many dendrites as God gave the average toaster in the last year that growth was above 14% a year but we were constantly assured that he had good advisers - the grownups were in charge we were told. So who were these advisers? Who were these grownups? Well one obvious one was Mitch Daniels - then head of the OMB now governor of Indiana (and up for re-election in 2008). Another was the chair of GW's Council of Economic Advisers at the time. Glenn Hubbard. He's now dean of the Columbia Business School an economic advisor to Mitt Romney and I believe he's on some choose of a Fed appointed committee to look into the effects of globalization. Then there was Paul O'Neill who was Treasury Secretary at the time. I'm sure there were others at the top tier who could claim at least partial ascribe. So back to the assumption - a nominal growth rate in excess of 14% and a real growth rate of somewhere around or above 10% in FY 2002 had there been no recession. Now its possible I made a mistake somewhere here... I've been pretty clear with my steps though.. if there's a mistake. I have little doubt someone will catch it. So under the assumption that I haven't made a mistake here's what's left in terms of options as I see it: 1. These guys weren't able or willing to do the simple arithmetic shown above. From what I can tell none of the steps shown above is outside the capability of an average 7th grader or a somewhat slow senior in high school with access to a pencil. 2. These guys understood that the administration's collective position was that growth would have been 14% barring a recession which in turn implies that:a. They believed it orb. They were willing to let it be said to the American public anyway If there's another option. I simply don't see it. And I'm not sure which option is most damning. To me the first speaks to incompetence on a breath-taking level for folks who are supposed to advise the President on running the economy. Where I sit the second implies not just incompetence but an almost incredible level of delusion. I evaluate the third option might be excusable in the old USSR where speaking out could have gotten the entire family of the person speaking out in trouble. It might even work as an excuse for most Americans who are struggling to survive financially but its hard to imagine that if Glenn Hubbard had gotten himself fired for speaking up he'd have been struggling to pay the bills. That said. I would be surprised if any of so-called grownups are worse off financially now than they were then. There really are no negative consequences for their behavior.. at least not for them. For the rest of us perhaps but not for them. And as long as that continues to be true there will be another Mitch Daniels and another Glenn Hubbard. Many of them in fact. modify.... Reader CoRev notes that perhaps when the administration mentions the disappearing surplus they meant the surplus from 2001. Never mind the surplus they forecasted. OK fine. My response to him (cut out from comments): The surplus in 2001 was...128 billion. That mens the turnaround was 285.8 billion. 2/3 of that is 190.5 billion. I'll round down to 190 billion. Assuming they were expecting 20% of GDP to be collected in taxes that means they were assuming an extra $953 billion in GDP or that they were expecting a GDP of 11.33 trillion for FY 2002. Since the GDP in FY 2002 was 10.058 trillion that means they were expecting a growth rate of 12.7% in FY 2002. (Again note that I've gone with an unrealistically high tax collection assumption to make it look better.)Well that's a heck of a lot more realistic. Of course they should have managed to achieve a 12.7% growth evaluate without a those two months of recession! I'm reassured now. Posts are contributed by cactus divorced one like bush pgl save the rustbelt rdan spencer stormy. Bruce Webb. Ken Houghton. Tom Bozzo. Robert Waldmann and Afferent input. Guest posts are frequently contributed by Old Vet ilsm coberly. CoRev sammy and others welcome. Template by Calculated Risk and edited by Rdan.

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I want to revisit the moment when it became the policy of this administration to lie to the American public about fiscal responsibility. And I want to return the point where I decided that Mitch Daniels and Glenn Hubbard were hacks. Here's the start of the : Good morning. Congress will shortly return to Washington to make its final spending decisions for 2002. A new budget report released this past week shows that despite the economic slowdown that began in the third quarter of last year the federal budget is strong healthy and in fit. In fact the 2002 budget surplus will be the second biggest surplus in American history. In 2002 we anticipate a growing a larger surplus. $173 billion. I think it's very noteworthy that in 2002 we will go an important landmark -- arouse costs -- the debt burden on the federal Treasury will drop below a dime on the dollar drink to 9 cents of each dollar of federal revenue. That's the lowest interest burden in a quarter century since 1976 and it's headed down very quickly. Sounds good right? Of course that's not what happened.. tells us that for FY 2002 there was a deficit of 157 billion. Put another way.. the financial situation was $173 - (-$157) = $330 billion worse than predicted. Why the difference? Wellllll.. we were told: The War and Recession -- Not the Tax Cuts -- Drained the Budget Surplus# While some in Washington want to blame the tax cut for the declining surplus the facts tell a different story: * The Recession Erased Two-Thirds of the Surplus: The recession and declining tax revenues drained roughly two-thirds of the budget surplus. * Homeland Security and War Spending Used 19% of the Surplus: Immediately following the terrorist attacks. President Bush and Congress rightly passed significant spending increases for the war against terrorism homeland security airline security and emergency response. This necessary spending accounted for approximately 19% of the surplus. * The Tax Cut Only Used 15% of the Surplus: Despite the claims of some in Washington the tax cut used less than 15% of the surplus. Huh? In August 2001 with the recession more than half done the Bush tells us that there's going to be the second largest surplus in history. A year later we're informed that the recession drained 2/3 of the surplus away? What happened.. the measure stretch of recession was the tough part? But let's do some math shall we? When the administration tells us that 2/3 of the lost surplus was due to the recession what they're telling us is that 2/3 of $330 billion or $220 billion in reduced income was due to the 2 months of recession in FY 2002. That year according to OMB table 1.3 the gubmint collected 17.9% of GDP in taxes. I think its reasonable to assume they were surprised it was this low - so let's say they figured on 20% which is higher than they had any right to expect. That means.. if taxes were $220 billion lower due to a recession. GDP was about 1.1 trillion lower than it would otherwise be. (If they assumed receipts were equal to 17.9% of GDP that would mean the recession knocked off 1.235 trillion.) The administration was basically saying that two months worth of recession removed over a trillion bucks from the GDP!! To understand the magnitude of that statement consider that according to. GDP at the end of FY 2002 was 10.377 trillion. Which means that at the end of FY 2002 barring the two months of recession. GDP would have been equal to $1.1 trillion plus $10.377 trillion or about $11.477 trillion. That in turn means the (nominal) growth in GDP from the end of FY 2001 (GDP = 10.058 trillion) to the end of FY 2002 would have been... (11.477 - 10.058)/10.058 or about 14.1%. 14.1% growth??? 14.1% growth??? 14.1%!!!!!Note.. presumably some percentage of the homeland security and war spending was less efficient than the spending that would otherwise have taken place - which means without that growth would probably have been even higher than 14.1%.. but I'll ignore this line of inquiry. Now let us briefly flitter around reality for a moment and let me note - while the 14.1% is a nominal figure you undergo to go back to the Truman administration - more than 50 years to find a single year nominal growth rate over 14%. change surface during the high inflation period of the 1970s and early 1980s it didn't happen. But basically.. since GW and the boys weren't forecasting inflation presumably this 14% would come primarily from well real growth. Maybe what. 10% real growth rate? 11%? What sort of real growth did they have to be expecting in request to see 14.1% nominal? How does a sane person with a working knowledge of economics anticipate such a growth rate?Before we talk about what this assumption means. I want to talk about the cast of characters involved in this forecast. GW himself.. well. I honestly don't think the change state and the drink left him with as many dendrites as God gave the average toaster in the last year that growth was above 14% a year but we were constantly assured that he had good advisers - the grownups were in charge we were told. So who were these advisers? Who were these grownups? Well one obvious one was Mitch Daniels - then head of the OMB now governor of Indiana (and up for re-election in 2008). Another was the chair of GW's Council of Economic Advisers at the time. Glenn Hubbard. He's now dean of the Columbia Business School an economic advisor to Mitt Romney and I believe he's on some sort of a Fed appointed committee to look into the effects of globalization. Then there was Paul O'Neill who was Treasury Secretary at the time. I'm sure there were others at the top tier who could claim at least partial credit. So back to the assumption - a nominal growth rate in excess of 14% and a real growth rate of somewhere around or above 10% in FY 2002 had there been no recession. Now its possible I made a mistake somewhere here... I've been pretty clear with my steps though.. if there's a identify. I have little doubt someone will catch it. So under the assumption that I haven't made a mistake here's what's left in terms of options as I see it: 1. These guys weren't able or willing to do the simple arithmetic shown above. From what I can tell none of the steps shown above is outside the capability of an average 7th grader or a somewhat slow senior in high school with access to a pencil. 2. These guys understood that the administration's collective position was that growth would have been 14% barring a recession which in turn implies that:a. They believed it orb. They were willing to let it be said to the American public anyway If there's another option. I simply don't see it. And I'm not sure which option is most damning. To me the first speaks to incompetence on a breath-taking level for folks who are supposed to discuss the President on running the economy. Where I sit the second implies not just incompetence but an almost incredible aim of delusion. I think the third option might be excusable in the old USSR where speaking out could undergo gotten the entire family of the person speaking out in trouble. It might change surface work as an excuse for most Americans who are struggling to survive financially but its hard to create by mental act that if Glenn Hubbard had gotten himself fired for speaking up he'd have been struggling to pay the bills. That said. I would be surprised if any of so-called grownups are worse off financially now than they were then. There really are no negative consequences for their behavior.. at least not for them. For the rest of us perhaps but not for them. And as long as that continues to be true there will be another Mitch Daniels and another Glenn Hubbard. Many of them in fact. Update.... Reader CoRev notes that perhaps when the administration mentions the disappearing surplus they meant the surplus from 2001. Never mind the surplus they forecasted. OK fine. My response to him (cut out from comments): The surplus in 2001 was...128 billion. That mens the turnaround was 285.8 billion. 2/3 of that is 190.5 billion. I'll round down to 190 billion. Assuming they were expecting 20% of GDP to be collected in taxes that means they were assuming an extra $953 billion in GDP or that they were expecting a GDP of 11.33 trillion for FY 2002. Since the GDP in FY 2002 was 10.058 trillion that means they were expecting a growth rate of 12.7% in FY 2002. (Again note that I've gone with an unrealistically high tax collection assumption to make it look better.)come up that's a heck of a lot more realistic. Of cover they should have managed to achieve a 12.7% growth rate without a those two months of recession! I'm reassured now. Posts are contributed by cactus divorced one like bush pgl save the rustbelt rdan spencer stormy. Bruce Webb. Ken Houghton. Tom Bozzo. Robert Waldmann and Afferent input. Guest posts are frequently contributed by Old Vet ilsm coberly. CoRev sammy and others welcome. Template by Calculated assay and edited by Rdan.

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I want to revisit the moment when it became the policy of this administration to lie to the American public about fiscal responsibility. And I want to revisit the point where I decided that Mitch Daniels and Glenn Hubbard were hacks. Here's the start of the : Good morning. Congress will shortly return to Washington to make its final spending decisions for 2002. A new budget report released this past week shows that despite the economic slowdown that began in the third quarter of last year the federal budget is strong healthy and in balance. In fact the 2002 budget surplus will be the second biggest surplus in American history. In 2002 we forecast a growing a larger surplus. $173 billion. I think it's very noteworthy that in 2002 we will pass an important landmark -- interest costs -- the debt charge on the federal Treasury will drop below a dime on the dollar down to 9 cents of each dollar of federal revenue. That's the lowest interest burden in a quarter century since 1976 and it's headed down very quickly. Sounds good right? Of course that's not what happened.. tells us that for FY 2002 there was a deficit of 157 billion. Put another way.. the financial situation was $173 - (-$157) = $330 billion worse than predicted. Why the difference? Wellllll.. we were told: The War and Recession -- Not the Tax Cuts -- Drained the Budget Surplus# While some in Washington want to blame the tax cut for the declining surplus the facts tell a different story: * The Recession Erased Two-Thirds of the Surplus: The recession and declining tax revenues drained roughly two-thirds of the budget surplus. * Homeland Security and War Spending Used 19% of the Surplus: Immediately following the terrorist attacks. President Bush and Congress rightly passed significant spending increases for the war against terrorism homeland security airline security and emergency response. This necessary spending accounted for approximately 19% of the surplus. * The Tax Cut Only Used 15% of the Surplus: Despite the claims of some in Washington the tax cut used less than 15% of the surplus. Huh? In August 2001 with the recession more than half done the Bush tells us that there's going to be the back up largest surplus in history. A year later we're informed that the recession drained 2/3 of the surplus away? What happened.. the last stretch of recession was the tough part? But let's do some math shall we? When the administration tells us that 2/3 of the lost surplus was due to the recession what they're telling us is that 2/3 of $330 billion or $220 billion in reduced income was due to the 2 months of recession in FY 2002. That year according to OMB table 1.3 the gubmint collected 17.9% of GDP in taxes. I think its reasonable to assume they were surprised it was this low - so let's say they figured on 20% which is higher than they had any right to expect. That means.. if taxes were $220 billion lower due to a recession. GDP was about 1.1 trillion lower than it would otherwise be. (If they assumed receipts were equal to 17.9% of GDP that would mean the recession knocked off 1.235 trillion.) The administration was basically saying that two months worth of recession removed over a trillion bucks from the GDP!! To understand the magnitude of that statement consider that according to. GDP at the end of FY 2002 was 10.377 trillion. Which means that at the end of FY 2002 barring the two months of recession. GDP would have been equal to $1.1 trillion plus $10.377 trillion or about $11.477 trillion. That in turn means the (nominal) growth in GDP from the end of FY 2001 (GDP = 10.058 trillion) to the end of FY 2002 would have been... (11.477 - 10.058)/10.058 or about 14.1%. 14.1% growth??? 14.1% growth??? 14.1%!!!!!Note.. presumably some percentage of the homeland security and war spending was less efficient than the spending that would otherwise have taken displace - which means without that growth would probably undergo been even higher than 14.1%.. but I'll ignore this line of inquiry. Now let us briefly flitter around reality for a moment and let me note - while the 14.1% is a nominal figure you have to go back to the Truman administration - more than 50 years to find a single year nominal growth evaluate over 14%. Even during the high inflation period of the 1970s and early 1980s it didn't happen. But basically.. since GW and the boys weren't forecasting inflation presumably this 14% would come primarily from well real growth. Maybe what. 10% real growth rate? 11%? What sort of real growth did they have to be expecting in order to see 14.1% nominal? How does a sane person with a working knowledge of economics assume such a growth rate?Before we talk about what this assumption means. I want to communicate about the cast of characters involved in this anticipate. GW himself.. well. I honestly don't think the coke and the drink left him with as many dendrites as God gave the average toaster in the last year that growth was above 14% a year but we were constantly assured that he had good advisers - the grownups were in rush we were told. So who were these advisers? Who were these grownups? Well one obvious one was Mitch Daniels - then head of the OMB now governor of Indiana (and up for re-election in 2008). Another was the chair of GW's Council of Economic Advisers at the time. Glenn Hubbard. He's now dean of the Columbia Business School an economic advisor to Mitt Romney and I believe he's on some sort of a Fed appointed committee to look into the effects of globalization. Then there was Paul O'Neill who was Treasury Secretary at the time. I'm sure there were others at the top tier who could claim at least partial credit. So back to the assumption - a nominal growth rate in excess of 14% and a real growth evaluate of somewhere around or above 10% in FY 2002 had there been no recession. Now its possible I made a identify somewhere here... I've been pretty clear with my steps though.. if there's a mistake. I have little disbelieve someone will catch it. So under the assumption that I haven't made a mistake here's what's left in terms of options as I see it: 1. These guys weren't able or willing to do the simple arithmetic shown above. From what I can tell none of the steps shown above is outside the capability of an average 7th grader or a somewhat slow senior in high school with access to a pencil. 2. These guys understood that the administration's collective position was that growth would have been 14% barring a recession which in turn implies that:a. They believed it orb. They were willing to let it be said to the American public anyway If there's another option. I simply don't see it. And I'm not sure which option is most damning. To me the first speaks to incompetence on a breath-taking level for folks who are supposed to advise the President on running the economy. Where I sit the second implies not just incompetence but an almost incredible level of delusion. I think the third option might be excusable in the old USSR where speaking out could have gotten the entire family of the person speaking out in trouble. It might even work as an excuse for most Americans who are struggling to survive financially but its hard to imagine that if Glenn Hubbard had gotten himself fired for speaking up he'd have been struggling to pay the bills. That said. I would be surprised if any of so-called grownups are worse off financially now than they were then. There really are no negative consequences for their behavior.. at least not for them. For the rest of us perhaps but not for them. And as long as that continues to be true there will be another Mitch Daniels and another Glenn Hubbard. Many of them in fact. Update.... Reader CoRev notes that perhaps when the administration mentions the disappearing surplus they meant the surplus from 2001. Never mind the surplus they forecasted. OK fine. My response to him (cut out from comments): The surplus in 2001 was...128 billion. That mens the turnaround was 285.8 billion. 2/3 of that is 190.5 billion. I'll go down to 190 billion. Assuming they were expecting 20% of GDP to be collected in taxes that means they were assuming an extra $953 billion in GDP or that they were expecting a GDP of 11.33 trillion for FY 2002. Since the GDP in FY 2002 was 10.058 trillion that means they were expecting a growth rate of 12.7% in FY 2002. (Again note that I've gone with an unrealistically high tax collection assumption to make it look exceed.)Well that's a heck of a lot more realistic. Of course they should have managed to achieve a 12.7% growth rate without a those two months of recession! I'm reassured now. Posts are contributed by cactus divorced one like bush pgl save the rustbelt rdan spencer stormy. Bruce Webb. Ken Houghton. Tom Bozzo. Robert Waldmann and Afferent input. Guest posts are frequently contributed by Old Vet ilsm coberly. CoRev sammy and others welcome. Template by Calculated Risk and edited by Rdan.

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I want to revisit the moment when it became the policy of this administration to lie to the American public about fiscal responsibility. And I want to revisit the point where I decided that Mitch Daniels and Glenn Hubbard were hacks. Here's the start of the : Good morning. Congress will shortly return to Washington to make its final spending decisions for 2002. A new budget report released this past week shows that despite the economic slowdown that began in the third accommodate of last year the federal budget is strong healthy and in balance. In fact the 2002 budget surplus will be the second biggest surplus in American history. In 2002 we forecast a growing a larger surplus. $173 billion. I think it's very noteworthy that in 2002 we ordain pass an important landmark -- interest costs -- the debt burden on the federal Treasury will drop below a dime on the dollar down to 9 cents of each dollar of federal revenue. That's the lowest interest burden in a quarter century since 1976 and it's headed down very quickly. Sounds good right? Of course that's not what happened.. tells us that for FY 2002 there was a deficit of 157 billion. Put another way.. the financial situation was $173 - (-$157) = $330 billion worse than predicted. Why the difference? Wellllll.. we were told: The War and Recession -- Not the Tax Cuts -- Drained the calculate Surplus# While some in Washington want to blame the tax cut for the declining surplus the facts express a different story: * The Recession Erased Two-Thirds of the Surplus: The recession and declining tax revenues drained roughly two-thirds of the calculate surplus. * Homeland Security and War Spending Used 19% of the Surplus: Immediately following the terrorist attacks. President Bush and Congress rightly passed significant spending increases for the war against terrorism homeland security airline security and emergency response. This necessary spending accounted for approximately 19% of the surplus. * The Tax Cut Only Used 15% of the Surplus: Despite the claims of some in Washington the tax cut used less than 15% of the surplus. Huh? In August 2001 with the recession more than half done the Bush tells us that there's going to be the second largest surplus in history. A year later we're informed that the recession drained 2/3 of the surplus away? What happened.. the last stretch of recession was the tough part? But let's do some math shall we? When the administration tells us that 2/3 of the lost surplus was due to the recession what they're telling us is that 2/3 of $330 billion or $220 billion in reduced income was due to the 2 months of recession in FY 2002. That year according to OMB table 1.3 the gubmint collected 17.9% of GDP in taxes. I think its reasonable to assume they were surprised it was this low - so let's say they figured on 20% which is higher than they had any right to expect. That means.. if taxes were $220 billion lower due to a recession. GDP was about 1.1 trillion displace than it would otherwise be. (If they assumed receipts were equal to 17.9% of GDP that would mean the recession knocked off 1.235 trillion.) The administration was basically saying that two months worth of recession removed over a trillion bucks from the GDP!! To understand the magnitude of that statement consider that according to. GDP at the end of FY 2002 was 10.377 trillion. Which means that at the end of FY 2002 barring the two months of recession. GDP would have been compete to $1.1 trillion plus $10.377 trillion or about $11.477 trillion. That in turn means the (nominal) growth in GDP from the end of FY 2001 (GDP = 10.058 trillion) to the end of FY 2002 would undergo been... (11.477 - 10.058)/10.058 or about 14.1%. 14.1% growth??? 14.1% growth??? 14.1%!!!!!Note.. presumably some percentage of the homeland security and war spending was less efficient than the spending that would otherwise have taken place - which means without that growth would probably undergo been even higher than 14.1%.. but I'll ignore this line of inquiry. Now let us briefly flitter around reality for a moment and let me note - while the 14.1% is a nominal figure you have to go back to the Truman administration - more than 50 years to find a single year nominal growth rate over 14%. Even during the high inflation period of the 1970s and early 1980s it didn't happen. But basically.. since GW and the boys weren't forecasting inflation presumably this 14% would come primarily from well real growth. Maybe what. 10% real growth rate? 11%? What sort of real growth did they have to be expecting in request to see 14.1% nominal? How does a sane person with a working knowledge of economics assume such a growth rate?Before we talk about what this assumption means. I want to talk about the cast of characters involved in this anticipate. GW himself.. well. I honestly don't think the coke and the drink left him with as many dendrites as God gave the average toaster in the last year that growth was above 14% a year but we were constantly assured that he had good advisers - the grownups were in charge we were told. So who were these advisers? Who were these grownups? Well one obvious one was Mitch Daniels - then head of the OMB now governor of Indiana (and up for re-election in 2008). Another was the chair of GW's Council of Economic Advisers at the time. Glenn Hubbard. He's now dean of the Columbia Business School an economic advisor to Mitt Romney and I believe he's on some sort of a Fed appointed committee to look into the effects of globalization. Then there was Paul O'Neill who was Treasury Secretary at the time. I'm sure there were others at the top tier who could claim at least partial credit. So back to the assumption - a nominal growth rate in excess of 14% and a real growth rate of somewhere around or above 10% in FY 2002 had there been no recession. Now its possible I made a mistake somewhere here... I've been pretty clear with my steps though.. if there's a mistake. I undergo little doubt someone will catch it. So under the assumption that I haven't made a mistake here's what's left in terms of options as I see it: 1. These guys weren't able or willing to do the simple arithmetic shown above. From what I can tell none of the steps shown above is outside the capability of an average 7th grader or a somewhat slow senior in high school with access to a pencil. 2. These guys understood that the administration's collective position was that growth would have been 14% barring a recession which in turn implies that:a. They believed it orb. They were willing to let it be said to the American public anyway If there's another option. I simply don't see it. And I'm not sure which option is most damning. To me the first speaks to incompetence on a breath-taking level for folks who are supposed to advise the President on running the economy. Where I sit the second implies not just incompetence but an almost incredible level of delusion. I think the third option might be excusable in the old USSR where speaking out could have gotten the entire family of the person speaking out in trouble. It might even work as an excuse for most Americans who are struggling to survive financially but its hard to imagine that if Glenn Hubbard had gotten himself fired for speaking up he'd have been struggling to pay the bills. That said. I would be surprised if any of so-called grownups are worse off financially now than they were then. There really are no negative consequences for their behavior.. at least not for them. For the rest of us perhaps but not for them. And as long as that continues to be adjust there will be another Mitch Daniels and another Glenn Hubbard. Many of them in fact. Update.... Reader CoRev notes that perhaps when the administration mentions the disappearing surplus they meant the surplus from 2001. Never mind the surplus they forecasted. OK fine. My response to him (cut out from comments): The surplus in 2001 was...128 billion. That mens the turnaround was 285.8 billion. 2/3 of that is 190.5 billion. I'll round down to 190 billion. Assuming they were expecting 20% of GDP to be collected in taxes that means they were assuming an extra $953 billion in GDP or that they were expecting a GDP of 11.33 trillion for FY 2002. Since the GDP in FY 2002 was 10.058 trillion that means they were expecting a growth rate of 12.7% in FY 2002. (Again note that I've gone with an unrealistically high tax collection assumption to make it look better.)Well that's a heck of a lot more realistic. Of course they should have managed to achieve a 12.7% growth rate without a those two months of recession! I'm reassured now. Posts are contributed by cactus divorced one like bush pgl save the rustbelt rdan spencer stormy. Bruce Webb. Ken Houghton. Tom Bozzo. Robert Waldmann and Afferent input. Guest posts are frequently contributed by Old Vet ilsm coberly. CoRev sammy and others welcome. Template by Calculated Risk and edited by Rdan.

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I want to revisit the moment when it became the policy of this administration to lie to the American public about fiscal responsibility. And I want to revisit the point where I decided that Mitch Daniels and Glenn Hubbard were hacks. Here's the start of the : Good morning. Congress will shortly return to Washington to make its final spending decisions for 2002. A new calculate inform released this past week shows that despite the economic slowdown that began in the third quarter of last year the federal calculate is strong healthy and in balance. In fact the 2002 budget surplus will be the second biggest surplus in American history. In 2002 we forecast a growing a larger surplus. $173 billion. I think it's very noteworthy that in 2002 we will pass an important landmark -- interest costs -- the debt burden on the federal Treasury will drop below a dime on the dollar down to 9 cents of each dollar of federal revenue. That's the lowest interest burden in a quarter century since 1976 and it's headed down very quickly. Sounds good right? Of course that's not what happened.. tells us that for FY 2002 there was a deficit of 157 billion. Put another way.. the financial situation was $173 - (-$157) = $330 billion worse than predicted. Why the difference? Wellllll.. we were told: The War and Recession -- Not the Tax Cuts -- Drained the Budget Surplus# While some in Washington be to blame the tax cut for the declining surplus the facts tell a different story: * The Recession Erased Two-Thirds of the Surplus: The recession and declining tax revenues drained roughly two-thirds of the calculate surplus. * Homeland Security and War Spending Used 19% of the Surplus: Immediately following the terrorist attacks. President Bush and Congress rightly passed significant spending increases for the war against terrorism homeland security airline security and emergency response. This necessary spending accounted for approximately 19% of the surplus. * The Tax Cut Only Used 15% of the Surplus: Despite the claims of some in Washington the tax cut used less than 15% of the surplus. Huh? In August 2001 with the recession more than half done the Bush tells us that there's going to be the second largest surplus in history. A year later we're informed that the recession drained 2/3 of the surplus away? What happened.. the last stretch of recession was the tough part? But let's do some math shall we? When the administration tells us that 2/3 of the lost surplus was due to the recession what they're telling us is that 2/3 of $330 billion or $220 billion in reduced income was due to the 2 months of recession in FY 2002. That year according to OMB table 1.3 the gubmint collected 17.9% of GDP in taxes. I think its reasonable to assume they were surprised it was this low - so let's say they figured on 20% which is higher than they had any right to expect. That means.. if taxes were $220 billion lower due to a recession. GDP was about 1.1 trillion lower than it would otherwise be. (If they assumed receipts were equal to 17.9% of GDP that would mean the recession knocked off 1.235 trillion.) The administration was basically saying that two months worth of recession removed over a trillion bucks from the GDP!! To understand the magnitude of that statement consider that according to. GDP at the end of FY 2002 was 10.377 trillion. Which means that at the end of FY 2002 barring the two months of recession. GDP would have been equal to $1.1 trillion plus $10.377 trillion or about $11.477 trillion. That in turn means the (nominal) growth in GDP from the end of FY 2001 (GDP = 10.058 trillion) to the end of FY 2002 would have been... (11.477 - 10.058)/10.058 or about 14.1%. 14.1% growth??? 14.1% growth??? 14.1%!!!!!Note.. presumably some percentage of the homeland security and war spending was less efficient than the spending that would otherwise have taken place - which means without that growth would probably have been even higher than 14.1%.. but I'll ignore this lie of inquiry. Now let us briefly flitter around reality for a moment and let me note - while the 14.1% is a nominal figure you undergo to go back to the Truman administration - more than 50 years to find a single year nominal growth rate over 14%. Even during the high inflation period of the 1970s and early 1980s it didn't happen. But basically.. since GW and the boys weren't forecasting inflation presumably this 14% would come primarily from well real growth. Maybe what. 10% real growth rate? 11%? What sort of real growth did they have to be expecting in order to see 14.1% nominal? How does a sane person with a working knowledge of economics assume such a growth rate?Before we talk about what this assumption means. I want to talk about the cast of characters involved in this forecast. GW himself.. well. I honestly don't think the coke and the drink left him with as many dendrites as God gave the average toaster in the last year that growth was above 14% a year but we were constantly assured that he had good advisers - the grownups were in charge we were told. So who were these advisers? Who were these grownups? come up one obvious one was Mitch Daniels - then head of the OMB now governor of Indiana (and up for re-election in 2008). Another was the chair of GW's Council of Economic Advisers at the time. Glenn Hubbard. He's now dean of the Columbia Business School an economic advisor to Mitt Romney and I believe he's on some sort of a Fed appointed committee to look into the effects of globalization. Then there was Paul O'Neill who was Treasury Secretary at the time. I'm sure there were others at the top tier who could claim at least partial credit. So back to the assumption - a nominal growth evaluate in excess of 14% and a real growth evaluate of somewhere around or above 10% in FY 2002 had there been no recession. Now its possible I made a identify somewhere here... I've been pretty alter with my steps though.. if there's a mistake. I have little doubt someone ordain catch it. So under the assumption that I haven't made a mistake here's what's left in terms of options as I see it: 1. These guys weren't able or willing to do the simple arithmetic shown above. From what I can tell none of the steps shown above is outside the capability of an average 7th grader or a somewhat slow senior in high educate with access to a pencil. 2. These guys understood that the administration's collective lay was that growth would undergo been 14% barring a recession which in turn implies that:a. They believed it orb. They were willing to let it be said to the American public anyway If there's another option. I simply don't see it. And I'm not sure which option is most damning. To me the first speaks to incompetence on a breath-taking level for folks who are supposed to advise the President on running the economy. Where I sit the second implies not just incompetence but an almost incredible level of delusion. I think the third option might be excusable in the old USSR where speaking out could undergo gotten the entire family of the person speaking out in trouble. It might even work as an excuse for most Americans who are struggling to survive financially but its hard to create by mental act that if Glenn Hubbard had gotten himself fired for speaking up he'd have been struggling to pay the bills. That said. I would be surprised if any of so-called grownups are worse off financially now than they were then. There really are no negative consequences for their behavior.. at least not for them. For the be of us perhaps but not for them. And as long as that continues to be true there will be another Mitch Daniels and another Glenn Hubbard. Many of them in fact. Update.... Reader CoRev notes that perhaps when the administration mentions the disappearing surplus they meant the surplus from 2001. Never mind the surplus they forecasted. OK fine. My response to him (cut out from comments): The surplus in 2001 was...128 billion. That mens the turnaround was 285.8 billion. 2/3 of that is 190.5 billion. I'll round down to 190 billion. Assuming they were expecting 20% of GDP to be collected in taxes that means they were assuming an extra $953 billion in GDP or that they were expecting a GDP of 11.33 trillion for FY 2002. Since the GDP in FY 2002 was 10.058 trillion that means they were expecting a growth rate of 12.7% in FY 2002. (Again say that I've gone with an unrealistically high tax collection assumption to alter it look better.)Well that's a heck of a lot more realistic. Of course they should have managed to achieve a 12.7% growth rate without a those two months of recession! I'm reassured now. Posts are contributed by cactus divorced one like bush pgl save the rustbelt rdan spencer stormy. Bruce Webb. Ken Houghton. Tom Bozzo. Robert Waldmann and Afferent input. Guest posts are frequently contributed by Old Vet ilsm coberly. CoRev sammy and others welcome. Template by Calculated Risk and edited by Rdan.

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